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The reorg of GM by the Obama administration does not tick all the boxes [1], but is the most recent example that would come to mind of government support via BK management and recapitalization. The administration did this to save jobs and the manufacturing supply chain [2]. Capital is made up, management is fungible, manufacturing supply chains and systems are the hard part (which is why, after incredibly aggressive financialization, Boeing is having to acquire Spirit AeroSystems, which had previously been spun out for cost savings...which went to management comp and shareholders). If you are optimizing for a specific outcome, it is important to understand the malleability and limits of the components that make the whole. Even Elon recognized this during Model 3 production hell [3]. I suppose we must always learn the hard way for the lesson to be of value. If management is the problem (and it is very clear Boeing management is the problem), it must be replaced so that the people who do the actual building can build. This is no different than the tech culture of "employ great people and get out of their way." [1] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_Ch…... [2] obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/economy/jo…... [3] x.com/elonmusk/status/984882630947753984 ("Yes, excessive automation at Tesla was a mistake. To be precise, my mistake. Humans are underrated.")
Boeing, Union reach wage deal to end strikeRead the thread - Recommends
YOU obviously don't follow Tesla very closely. When the great grandparent said "Tesla's revolution is a more automated assembly", they were flat wrong which is something Elon himself admitted. Tesla tried to go big on automated assembly and failed. twitter.com/elonmusk/status/98488263094… I have watched most all of Sandy's videos; they are orthogonal to assembly automation. The exceptionally impressive things Tesla have done in later revisions of the Model 3/Y (particularly the octovalve and the rear body castings) are related to advanced manufacturing methods which reduce part counts. Not factory automation. Sandy is very good at styling himself as a premier industry expert—and he's quite likely one of the greatest automotive manufacturing experts on YouTube. But I don't think most serious automotive manufacturing experts are spending much time posting on YouTube...
Apple targets car production by 2024, eyes ‘next level’ battery tech: sourcesRead the thread - Disagrees
Tesla already tried to build autonomous car factories and admitted a mistake. Unclear why they are so sure they can build autonomous cars - a task seemingly much more complex than car manufacturing robots? twitter.com/elonmusk/status/98488263094…
Tesla Posts Big Quarterly Loss as Its Electric-Car Sales LagRead the thread - Cites it
"Yes, excessive automation at Tesla was a mistake. To be precise, my mistake. Humans are underrated." - Elon Musk Link: twitter.com/elonmusk/status/98488263094…
Excessive automation at Tesla was a mistake. Humans are underrated - Elon MuskRead the thread - Cites it
I can't speak to the relative complexity of the two machines either (obviously a Tesla is vastly more technologically complex but that doesn't mean it's necessarily more difficult to assemble: assembling computers today is extremely easy compared to 30 years ago) but I can however point to: * Tesla produced ~250k vehicles (cumulative as of Q2 2017) prior to the first production Model 3, so it's not appropriate to compare them to a brand new company: They know how to build cars by the time Model 3 rolled around. This is their 4th vehicle model. * Tesla has stated many times how the Model 3 is a far simpler and trimmed down vehicle compared to the S or X: production should be easier. * Tesla had a goal of 2,500/wk by December 31st (they managed 793 the last week by shutting down S&X production) and a total of 2,425 for that entire quarter. * Tesla had a goal of 5,000/wk and a revised goal of 2,500/wk by March 31st but only managed to hit 2,020 by that point, again which required shutting down the S&X lines. * The new goalpost is 5,000/wk by June 30th. * Elon said that "excessive automation at Tesla was a mistake" and that "Humans are underrated". [1] If Musk himself is suggesting that the Model 3 delays would have not occurred due to human assembly instead, I think it's quite fair to compare against Ford's Model T assembly line a century ago. Not to mention a few advancements in technology since then which should give Tesla the upper hand. [1] twitter.com/elonmusk/status/98488263094…
Tesla’s Engineering Chief Takes Leave of Absence at Pivotal MomentRead the thread - Cites it
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American Entrepreneurs Who Flocked to China Are Heading Home, DisillusionedRead the thread